As someone who's wasted time caring about magic damage on Ebony Puddings in a vain attempt to approach 9,000 exp/hr any day of the Vana'diel week, I've found the so-called magic damage formula to be quite useful in getting my hopes up. I've also wondered why no one ever bothered listing the "base damage" values ("V values" in the FFXIclopedia article) of offensive spells other than black magic for the sake of reference.
After further investigation, I managed to dig up a reference of "magic D values" not only for black magic but also for white magic and ninjutsu, along with some other sundry details. Earlier, I endeavored to calculate the D-value for the ni line of elemental ninjutsu, and I was happy to find out that I managed to get the right value (78). Interestingly, the san line has a D-value of 105 and a multiplier of 1.5, so you can pretty much dismiss claims of 400-500 damage from san spells as the result of targeting tiny mandies. (You certainly can't do that well on Ebony Puddings.)
As an example, suppose you had +40 MAB (24 from /BLM, 5 from Moldavite, 8 from Uggalepih Pendant, 3 from Denali Kecks), 40 INT from equipment and an elemental staff to boost damage further. If you're a taru with no INT merits (74 INT), your dINT will be 25 going up against an Ebony Pudding (INT 89). Based on this, I computed the damage to a pudding from a san spell to be 285. 400+ damage, where?
Going back to my previous rigmarole about great axe break weapon skills, I confirmed for myself that the unresisted duration of their debuffs should be 180/270/360 seconds corresponding to 100/200/300 TP; in a partially resisted case, the duration is lowered to 90/180/270 seconds, or by exactly 90 seconds. (Finally, I got a Full Break where the accuracy down was partially resisted and the other effects weren't. The time difference between accuracy down wearing off and the rest wearing off was exactly 90 seconds.)
It's kind of funny that these durations are easy to confirm compared to the degree of the debuff effects, yet the reported debuff effects are treated as gospel while the reported durations are obviously wrong now (allowing for the possibility that they used to be 3/4/5 minutes unresisted).
Based on what we know about the effects of the break weapon skills, I have to wonder whether the accuracy down effect of Blade: Kamu can be resisted (lowered duration). That would depend I suppose on whether Blade: Kamu has an associated element (probably earth, but who knows yet...). Break WSes are never used in practice, anyway, and I wouldn't count on Blade: Kamu either, especially if its effect is really accuracy -10 as listed on Studio Gobli currently. There are probably better things to do with your TP, especially subbing dancer in a soloing context.
Ninjutsu damage and break WS duration, two things that I've always wondered about and that I finally know more about. Hooray for utterly useless knowledge, yet arguably better than talking about income from chocobo racing or heaven forbid, gear I want to primp and preen in.
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Monday, September 15, 2008
Break weapon skills
(I should let it go, but there are a few things I've always wanted a decent explanation for...)
Studio Gobli has summarized the properties of the new job-specific weapon skills, and the traits of some of these WS are intriguing if only in a tangential "oh, that could be useful in some situation that will never come to pass."
1) King's Justice (WAR) has a primary skillchain attribute of Fragmentation (thunder/wind), giving the warrior the ability to participate in a Light skillchain using a two-handed weapon without having to obtain Ground Strike (great sword). (Its secondary SC attribute is Scission or earth.)
2) Vidohunir (BLM) lowers magic defense (as though you would ever melee) and the duration of this effect is presumably 60/120/180 seconds with 100/200/300 TP.
3) Blade: Kamu (NIN) lowers accuracy and the duration of this effect is 60/90/120 seconds with 100/200/300 TP. Ninja can now participate in a Light skillchain (Fragmentation attribute), as though you'd want to. I assume Blade: Kamu is earth element given the accuracy down effect.
There are a few other WS with "duration of effect varies with TP" (RDM, SMN), but I'd really like to know whether these effects are explicitly stated in the chat logs when they actually process (even better, whether they're resisted or not). If they actually are, then why not do the same for the great axe "break" weapon skills?
I always disliked the fact that you have no idea whether the "[attribute] down" effect actually kicked in immediately after using one of the break WS. In practice, you have to look at the chat logs to see if the effect eventually wears off ("The [monster's] [Attribute] Down effect wears off"), implying that the effect was actually applied by the WS, and if you don't see any message, you usually end up concluding one of the following: (1) the effect was still active when the mob died (if the effect is really there, shouldn't it be obvious, you say?); (2) the mob used an ability/spell to override the effect, or; (3) the effect was never there to begin with.
Why would you care? Well, for those of you that proselytize low-level WARs into using Shield Break exclusively, you might actually want to know:
(1) how long the evasion down effect should actually last
(2) whether it actually works reliably on exp mobs of interest
Regarding (1), Studio Gobli lists durations of 3/4/5 minutes with 100/200/300 TP for all the break weapon skills, and this seems to have been generally accepted as true, if hardly widely known. Yet I just had to convince myself that this was true, and after messing around in Lufaise Meadows for a bit, I was surprised to find that, on the neighborhood mobs at least, the effect duration is more along the line of 90/180/270 seconds with 100/200/300 TP, as summarized by the following graph:
I had no evidence of partial resists (just an all or nothing effect); this was all the data I got from break weapon skills where the effect was applied.
Most of the Shield Break results were from bees, which are supposedly weak to ice. The one Weapon Break was used on an orc, which is supposedly weak to water, and the Armor Break was used on a bugard, which isn't known to be weak to wind.
As for (2), one way to convince yourself that Shield Break should work, without waiting for a "wearing off" message that you may or may not see, is to target mobs that are known to be weak to ice. This is merely a rule of thumb, as Shield Break might work on mobs that aren't weak to ice (such as Goblins) because resists should come into play, and it's possible Shield Break won't work on mobs whose crystal drop actually contradicts a "known" ice weakness. Bugards, which drop fire crystals yet are putatively weak to ice, are one example (though admittedly not an exp target).
I myself was more interested in whether I could ever see a full complement of debuffs from Full Break on mobs that aren't weak to earth, to no avail:
Makara
113% TP
101 seconds
accuracy and evasion ONLY
Makara
114% TP
103 seconds
evasion ONLY
Gigantobugard
138% TP
nothing in 8 minutes!
Death Jacket
167% TP
150 seconds
accuracy, attack, and evasion (no defense)
Death Jacket
123% TP
111 seconds
accuracy and evasion ONLY
Gigas Warwolf
185% TP
nothing in 3 minutes!
Gigas Martialist
112% TP
100 seconds
evasion ONLY
Orcish Bowshooter
171% TP
154 seconds
attack and evasion ONLY
Note that earlier I said the above results applied only to the mobs in Lufaise Meadows... to my chagrin, I later obtained the following preliminary results from Bull Dhalmels in Buburimu Peninsula:
Bull Dhalmel
128% Full Break
230 seconds
evasion and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
300% Full Break
360 seconds
evasion and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
150% Full Break
135 seconds (Windsday)
attack and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
107% Full Break
96 seconds (Windsday)
full debuff!
From this data alone, I could conclude that the duration of the debuffs from Full Break is up to 6 minutes at 300% TP. The other data, hmm...
So, what gives?
Did Studio Gobli used to be right? The evidence doesn't support 3/4/5 minutes at the moment.
Are there actually partial resists? Perhaps a partial resist reduces effect duration by 90 seconds flat regardless of TP level. The dhalmel data suggest an unresisted duration of 180/270/360 seconds with 100/200/300 TP. I propose a "partially resisted" duration of 90/180/270 seconds with 100/200/300 TP, which would match up with the results from Lufaise Meadows. But if those are really "resisted" durations, why didn't I ever see unresisted durations ever in Lufaise Meadows?
What other factors am I not considering (day of the week)? No, I didn't use a Martial Bhuj.
Studio Gobli has summarized the properties of the new job-specific weapon skills, and the traits of some of these WS are intriguing if only in a tangential "oh, that could be useful in some situation that will never come to pass."
1) King's Justice (WAR) has a primary skillchain attribute of Fragmentation (thunder/wind), giving the warrior the ability to participate in a Light skillchain using a two-handed weapon without having to obtain Ground Strike (great sword). (Its secondary SC attribute is Scission or earth.)
2) Vidohunir (BLM) lowers magic defense (as though you would ever melee) and the duration of this effect is presumably 60/120/180 seconds with 100/200/300 TP.
3) Blade: Kamu (NIN) lowers accuracy and the duration of this effect is 60/90/120 seconds with 100/200/300 TP. Ninja can now participate in a Light skillchain (Fragmentation attribute), as though you'd want to. I assume Blade: Kamu is earth element given the accuracy down effect.
There are a few other WS with "duration of effect varies with TP" (RDM, SMN), but I'd really like to know whether these effects are explicitly stated in the chat logs when they actually process (even better, whether they're resisted or not). If they actually are, then why not do the same for the great axe "break" weapon skills?
I always disliked the fact that you have no idea whether the "[attribute] down" effect actually kicked in immediately after using one of the break WS. In practice, you have to look at the chat logs to see if the effect eventually wears off ("The [monster's] [Attribute] Down effect wears off"), implying that the effect was actually applied by the WS, and if you don't see any message, you usually end up concluding one of the following: (1) the effect was still active when the mob died (if the effect is really there, shouldn't it be obvious, you say?); (2) the mob used an ability/spell to override the effect, or; (3) the effect was never there to begin with.
Why would you care? Well, for those of you that proselytize low-level WARs into using Shield Break exclusively, you might actually want to know:
(1) how long the evasion down effect should actually last
(2) whether it actually works reliably on exp mobs of interest
Regarding (1), Studio Gobli lists durations of 3/4/5 minutes with 100/200/300 TP for all the break weapon skills, and this seems to have been generally accepted as true, if hardly widely known. Yet I just had to convince myself that this was true, and after messing around in Lufaise Meadows for a bit, I was surprised to find that, on the neighborhood mobs at least, the effect duration is more along the line of 90/180/270 seconds with 100/200/300 TP, as summarized by the following graph:
I had no evidence of partial resists (just an all or nothing effect); this was all the data I got from break weapon skills where the effect was applied.
Most of the Shield Break results were from bees, which are supposedly weak to ice. The one Weapon Break was used on an orc, which is supposedly weak to water, and the Armor Break was used on a bugard, which isn't known to be weak to wind.
As for (2), one way to convince yourself that Shield Break should work, without waiting for a "wearing off" message that you may or may not see, is to target mobs that are known to be weak to ice. This is merely a rule of thumb, as Shield Break might work on mobs that aren't weak to ice (such as Goblins) because resists should come into play, and it's possible Shield Break won't work on mobs whose crystal drop actually contradicts a "known" ice weakness. Bugards, which drop fire crystals yet are putatively weak to ice, are one example (though admittedly not an exp target).
I myself was more interested in whether I could ever see a full complement of debuffs from Full Break on mobs that aren't weak to earth, to no avail:
Makara
113% TP
101 seconds
accuracy and evasion ONLY
Makara
114% TP
103 seconds
evasion ONLY
Gigantobugard
138% TP
nothing in 8 minutes!
Death Jacket
167% TP
150 seconds
accuracy, attack, and evasion (no defense)
Death Jacket
123% TP
111 seconds
accuracy and evasion ONLY
Gigas Warwolf
185% TP
nothing in 3 minutes!
Gigas Martialist
112% TP
100 seconds
evasion ONLY
Orcish Bowshooter
171% TP
154 seconds
attack and evasion ONLY
Note that earlier I said the above results applied only to the mobs in Lufaise Meadows... to my chagrin, I later obtained the following preliminary results from Bull Dhalmels in Buburimu Peninsula:
Bull Dhalmel
128% Full Break
230 seconds
evasion and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
300% Full Break
360 seconds
evasion and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
150% Full Break
135 seconds (Windsday)
attack and defense ONLY
Bull Dhalmel
107% Full Break
96 seconds (Windsday)
full debuff!
From this data alone, I could conclude that the duration of the debuffs from Full Break is up to 6 minutes at 300% TP. The other data, hmm...
So, what gives?
Did Studio Gobli used to be right? The evidence doesn't support 3/4/5 minutes at the moment.
Are there actually partial resists? Perhaps a partial resist reduces effect duration by 90 seconds flat regardless of TP level. The dhalmel data suggest an unresisted duration of 180/270/360 seconds with 100/200/300 TP. I propose a "partially resisted" duration of 90/180/270 seconds with 100/200/300 TP, which would match up with the results from Lufaise Meadows. But if those are really "resisted" durations, why didn't I ever see unresisted durations ever in Lufaise Meadows?
What other factors am I not considering (day of the week)? No, I didn't use a Martial Bhuj.
Sunday, September 14, 2008
Dormancy
There are not a few interesting, new, even completely unexpected things from the latest version update, such as the new "arena" battles in beastmen strongholds of the past, not that I should keep deluding myself about being able to participate in these successfully within the next year. Level Sync seems nice enough. Heck, even reducing the HP of certain beastmen's pets is a completely unexpected change because you'd never think SE would've ever tacitly acknowledged leveling off those as a legitimate form of experience point acquisition. (Yes, don't give SE too much credit yet; it's possible that there aren't actually any good camps in ToAU or WoTG areas...) These new things are genuinely praiseworthy by my standards.On the other hand, there are changes to existing "content" that fall under the "it's about fucking time" category. For example, Nyzul Isle progress is now recorded for all players (under certain conditions) instead of just for the annoying asshole leech who demands that he use his runic disc. Chocobo rentals in the past after nine months is infuriating when they could've introduced them in the March or June updates. Still, sometimes these things are welcome even if unreasonably overdue.
Then you have "what the fuck?" changes whose ramifications are not immediately apparent...
"The strength of Zeni NMs will now gradually be adjusted after a predetermined amount of time has elapsed following their being claimed." What does this mean? Can you actually elaborate without having us figure it out through trial and error? Can you actually stop having zeni costs be maximized after every maintenance?
I think it might be okay to disincentivize solo or low-number attempts on ZNMs on a temporary basis if there is actually high demand for these at "peak" hours currently, but is this really the case? Doubt it. Wanna bet SE just keeps this crap in permanently?
Another example is that "the effects of certain items used during chocobo races have been adjusted," whatever that means. Why did this have to be changed to begin with? It apparently was fine for over six months!
Overall, though, this update seems solid enough, although it isn't enough to keep me wasting excessive amounts of time for minimal "enjoyment" return. (I've gone well past the point of diminishing returns about a year ago.) Even the simplest things take forever to do, and it's not like I'm actually going to rely on someone else to honor his or her "word" about returning a favor at a later date. That shit has never, ever happened, ever, and I don't need to waste anymore time so that I can someday be wrong.
Tuesday, September 9, 2008
Nonsense
Since the June update, I've been eagerly awaiting more than one "casual," cutscene-heavy quest to do for the past three months since the fare offered in June was almost non-existent. (Mythic Weapon quests and complete garbage like "The Miraculous Dale" don't even count, but Babban Ny Mheillea was amusing.) Yet the "developers" apparently forgot that key quest-related NPCs disappear during Campaign battle in Bastok Markets (S) and Windurst Waters (S) (and probably San d'Oria, too, depending on your server population's collective ineptitude at Campaign), a ridiculous oversight on their part given that they now allow campaign arbiters (providing teleportation services) and Sigil NPCs to remain during battle (not to mention some Campaign Ops NPCs whom no one cares about). Don't you bootlickers forget that back when "Wings of the Goddess" was released that SE promptly issued an update/fix allowing some quest-related NPCs (for maps) to remain even during Campaign battles. Fuck, even Diordinne sticks around during Campaign.Obviously, disappearing NPCs in the "hometowns" wasn't a problem before Campaign was fucked with (fixing something that wasn't broken) in favor of the beastmen confederates, and maybe they think this will be moot once loser nations finally get their acts together or the initial surge of interest in the new quests dies down, but it's still puzzling they won't fix something that seems so basic given the fact that they've done it before.
Less time butchering once-orphaned "content" like adventuring fellows, where the "devs" saw fit to reinvent the wheel--same grinding shit just to make entirely cosmetic changes to our fellow's appearance--yet no ToAU availability (who cares if losers "solo" on greater colibri with their fellow?) and no free fourth armor lock. More time on quality-of-life issues, thanks.
Saturday, September 6, 2008
Fleeting fortitude
With no real occasion to use my ninja, having given up the filler activity that is Campaign, all my ninja equipment and tools have been collecting dust in storage for the past month. But in my fervor to realize my remaining modest goals before I limit my FFXI time-wasting mostly to chocobo racing, I turned to my ninja for yet another ridiculous hours-long soloing attempt.
Having sat on two stacks of virtue stone pouches for over a year, I've wanted a Fortitude Axe to play with for some time now, but I've never had any reliable connections to mine so that I could leech one, only BS promises based on a quid pro quo, but where I did all the giving and ended up getting nothing in return.
My interest in getting the axe was rekindled recently when I came across a thread on BG discussing various NMs for ninja to solo. Prior to that, I only vaguely remembered Jailer of Fortitude (JoF) as soloable by a black or red mage, but I wasn't familiar with the tactics involved, so I was surprised to hear that ninja could also solo JoF. Upon further investigation, I discovered that having some form of movement speed is important to maintain separation between yourself and the jailer so that you can actually have an opportunity to do damage to it, and that even a corsair with movement speed could kill JoF alone. But since I wasn't ever going to come across a pair of Herald's Gaiters for use on my black mage, ninja it was, but where to get ghrah chips?
The prospect of having to farm 12 ghrah M chips was really the only reason I didn't try Jailer of Fortitude sooner, but after several weeks of trying to find these chips in bazaars (I found none), I resigned myself to mind-numbing farming in Hux'Zoi. I managed to cobble together 12 chips from 60 ghrahs, including a nearly four-hour session when I got 7 chips from 36 ghrahs (38-40% waxing moon).
While the general approach to kiting Jailer of Fortitude is well-documented (if not widely documented), there are a few specific things that may be worth considering based on my observations:
After you find the ??? to which you trade the 12 ghrah chips, it's actually possible to trade the chips and run out of the room so that JoF and its assistants have neither hate nor aggro, as long as you open the door right before you trade the chips and immediately run outside (so you don't get impeded while opening the door on the way out). (I had both the quickening effect from Sprinter's Shoes along with the movement speed from Ninja Kyahan.) Thus, I don't know if JoF actually spawns claimed and whether what happened to me was merely a fluke.
For my attempt, I kited from the "elvaan tower," where the ??? was located, directly to the "hume tower" without any problems shaking JoF's assistants, so I think there isn't much need to go to such extremes as zoning. You could probably use the elevators as a safety net to shed aggro from ghrahs and possibly zdei, though.
As a ninja, I relied entirely on elemental ninjutsu spells ("the wheel") to deal 26,264 damage, broken down by spell as follows:
After turning each corner, I would cast one ninjutsu given enough distance between me and JoF. Otherwise I would continue moving until I felt I was safe to cast. While JoF usually pauses movement to "reflect" magic back at you, the "reflect" move can be "overridden" by Actinic Burst (flash effect). I didn't feel like taking a chance that I would get sliced and diced by a Vorpal Blade instead of being hit with Actinic Burst.
The upside to soloing JoF as NIN as opposed to BLM is that your rate of damage output will be higher with ninjutsu than with Bio II alone. Using Bio II alone, a black mage should take at least 2 hours, 45 minutes, or 83 casts of Bio II (320 HP per 2 minutes), to take down JoF. (I assume JoF is immune to magic-based Poison, as opposed to Disseverment Poison, but I may be wrong.) It took me about 2:10 to kill JoF, and I have mediocre nuking gear for ninja (only Ninjutsu Torque and Ninja Hatsuburi, 72+25 INT with Cream Puffs, and a Moldavite). In fact, I had to wait out two daytime periods during this time (first nighttime period, ~32% damage, second nighttime period, ~43% damage).
(2 hours, 10 minutes? And to think I was complaining about Cheese Hoarder Gigiroon the other day...)
The downside to doing this as NIN is that for half the game day (at worst) you can't safely do any damage to JoF. Since you don't have movement speed in the daytime to help create distance between you and Jailer of Fortitude, it's not a good idea to let JoF close on you while casting ninjutsu. Unlike other mobs in the game that you might consider kiting to kill, JoF actually has good path movement around the circular ledge that you're supposed to kite along, so it can be troublesome to maintain distance. But even if JoF does catch up to you in the daytime, as long as you don't take wide turns around each corner it should never get close enough to hit you actually. (I have seen Powder Boots suggested as a safety net in case it's getting too close for comfort.)
As is my wont, over the course of suffering this "game" I've found progressively more tedious things to solo--from firedrakes for giant scales to Promyvion mobs for white memospheres to rank missions (the infamous Bastok 9-1, for one), and so on--to the point that I've actually gone out and done things like soloing Genbu and killing JoF that really deserve a bit of ribbing. Sure, we all covet shit to some extent, but is it really necessary to go to such extremes? Ugh, I even started a blog partly to cover such things. I think I've finally reached the limit of what I can endure. Finally!
Having sat on two stacks of virtue stone pouches for over a year, I've wanted a Fortitude Axe to play with for some time now, but I've never had any reliable connections to mine so that I could leech one, only BS promises based on a quid pro quo, but where I did all the giving and ended up getting nothing in return.
My interest in getting the axe was rekindled recently when I came across a thread on BG discussing various NMs for ninja to solo. Prior to that, I only vaguely remembered Jailer of Fortitude (JoF) as soloable by a black or red mage, but I wasn't familiar with the tactics involved, so I was surprised to hear that ninja could also solo JoF. Upon further investigation, I discovered that having some form of movement speed is important to maintain separation between yourself and the jailer so that you can actually have an opportunity to do damage to it, and that even a corsair with movement speed could kill JoF alone. But since I wasn't ever going to come across a pair of Herald's Gaiters for use on my black mage, ninja it was, but where to get ghrah chips?
The prospect of having to farm 12 ghrah M chips was really the only reason I didn't try Jailer of Fortitude sooner, but after several weeks of trying to find these chips in bazaars (I found none), I resigned myself to mind-numbing farming in Hux'Zoi. I managed to cobble together 12 chips from 60 ghrahs, including a nearly four-hour session when I got 7 chips from 36 ghrahs (38-40% waxing moon).
While the general approach to kiting Jailer of Fortitude is well-documented (if not widely documented), there are a few specific things that may be worth considering based on my observations:
After you find the ??? to which you trade the 12 ghrah chips, it's actually possible to trade the chips and run out of the room so that JoF and its assistants have neither hate nor aggro, as long as you open the door right before you trade the chips and immediately run outside (so you don't get impeded while opening the door on the way out). (I had both the quickening effect from Sprinter's Shoes along with the movement speed from Ninja Kyahan.) Thus, I don't know if JoF actually spawns claimed and whether what happened to me was merely a fluke.
For my attempt, I kited from the "elvaan tower," where the ??? was located, directly to the "hume tower" without any problems shaking JoF's assistants, so I think there isn't much need to go to such extremes as zoning. You could probably use the elevators as a safety net to shed aggro from ghrahs and possibly zdei, though.
As a ninja, I relied entirely on elemental ninjutsu spells ("the wheel") to deal 26,264 damage, broken down by spell as follows:
Spell Spell Dmg #Spells S.Low/Hi S.Avg
-----------------------------------------------------------
Doton: Ni 3748 38 15/143 98.63
Huton: Ni 4862 39 16/138 124.67
Hyoton: Ni 4644 41 17/143 113.27
Katon: Ni 4577 42 15/143 108.98
Raiton: Ni 4466 39 16/138 114.51
Suiton: Ni 3967 42 14/143 94.45
After turning each corner, I would cast one ninjutsu given enough distance between me and JoF. Otherwise I would continue moving until I felt I was safe to cast. While JoF usually pauses movement to "reflect" magic back at you, the "reflect" move can be "overridden" by Actinic Burst (flash effect). I didn't feel like taking a chance that I would get sliced and diced by a Vorpal Blade instead of being hit with Actinic Burst.
The upside to soloing JoF as NIN as opposed to BLM is that your rate of damage output will be higher with ninjutsu than with Bio II alone. Using Bio II alone, a black mage should take at least 2 hours, 45 minutes, or 83 casts of Bio II (320 HP per 2 minutes), to take down JoF. (I assume JoF is immune to magic-based Poison, as opposed to Disseverment Poison, but I may be wrong.) It took me about 2:10 to kill JoF, and I have mediocre nuking gear for ninja (only Ninjutsu Torque and Ninja Hatsuburi, 72+25 INT with Cream Puffs, and a Moldavite). In fact, I had to wait out two daytime periods during this time (first nighttime period, ~32% damage, second nighttime period, ~43% damage).
(2 hours, 10 minutes? And to think I was complaining about Cheese Hoarder Gigiroon the other day...)
The downside to doing this as NIN is that for half the game day (at worst) you can't safely do any damage to JoF. Since you don't have movement speed in the daytime to help create distance between you and Jailer of Fortitude, it's not a good idea to let JoF close on you while casting ninjutsu. Unlike other mobs in the game that you might consider kiting to kill, JoF actually has good path movement around the circular ledge that you're supposed to kite along, so it can be troublesome to maintain distance. But even if JoF does catch up to you in the daytime, as long as you don't take wide turns around each corner it should never get close enough to hit you actually. (I have seen Powder Boots suggested as a safety net in case it's getting too close for comfort.)
As is my wont, over the course of suffering this "game" I've found progressively more tedious things to solo--from firedrakes for giant scales to Promyvion mobs for white memospheres to rank missions (the infamous Bastok 9-1, for one), and so on--to the point that I've actually gone out and done things like soloing Genbu and killing JoF that really deserve a bit of ribbing. Sure, we all covet shit to some extent, but is it really necessary to go to such extremes? Ugh, I even started a blog partly to cover such things. I think I've finally reached the limit of what I can endure. Finally!
Tuesday, September 2, 2008
Success in the Crystal Stakes
This post is a response to an earlier comment regarding how well my SS/B/B/B (8/5/5/5) chocobo fares in the Adventurer Races (C4-C1).
First, I should point out (I don't think I've mentioned it explicitly) that the June 2008 version update notes include a statement that "certain race items have had the potency of their effects increased and their durations shortened." I started racing my good chocobo in the C1 races well after the update, so I have no pre-update basis for comparison.
So far in the Crystal Stakes, my bird has placed first 8 times, second 7 times, and third 1 time. I always use a Speed Apple and an Elm Saddle and "Final Spurt." A 50% win rate is pretty good for me, although maybe players who've raced longer than I may beg to differ given the update mentioned previously.
Based on my limited experience, I feel that my chocobo's profile is kind of a hedge against finishing 3rd place or worse. As an example, I distinctly recall one race that involved 4x gysahl bombs yet I still finished 2nd. (The camera "work" is really annoying with respect to showing whether your chocobo is affected by AoE items.)
But there have been a few cases where I've lost to NPC SS/SS/B/F chocobos (don't recall if they had gallop/canter), which can happen if there aren't any gysahl bombs in play, I guess.
In case you're curious whether I ran into PC chocobos, in those races, I raced against PC chocobos three times. I have to be honest that I prefer not to race against other PC chocobos.
The first time, I placed 2nd. The winner was a SS/B/A/C chocobo and the other PC placed 3rd. All PCs used Speed Apples.
The second time, two chocobos finished 1-2 and I ended up 3rd. (I don't remember the winner's stats though but the 2nd-place finisher actually used Sprint and resisted a few biscuits despite having D receptivity, to my dismay.) All PCs used Speed Apples.
The third time, I placed 2nd and the PC placed 3rd. The winning chocobo was SS/SS/B/F chocobo. Only one Gysahl Bomb the entire time, and the 3rd place finisher was pelted with a few biscuits.
I'll try to keep detailed notes in the future so I can compare notes with others.
My worst anomie
Casting about for things to do before the next version update comes around (15k for NW Apollyon and ABCs, go!), I first settled on taking a shot at Genbu.
Not much ado is made anymore about soloing Genbu, at least not after Genbu has been shown to be defeated by players using Chi Blast and offensive ninjutsu. Not unexpectedly, Genbu is handled more efficiently and more safely as a monk (when you have tools such as Boost and Chakra, you have to be shit-for-brains to get killed) than as a ninja (five hours to kill?!) or a black mage (no native, MP-free healing that allows you to leave Poisonga II untreated). But since I don't have monk leveled I decided to try my hand at Genbu with my black mage and get this crap done in under five hours.
While those other players may have been motivated primarily by vanity (vain enough to put some videos on Youtube, anyway), I was just fed up with other people who don't know how to return favors. Last time I checked, you don't need a tank when anyone can kite something that moves as slowly as Genbu does, and Genbu "only" has about 20,000 HP (from my estimation). Also, now that chocobo racing is my everyday source of income, I'm much more receptive to buying triggers (forget farming) even though in the case of Genbu I had to resign myself to taking a net gil loss given the value of the money drops. So ultimately I decided to take a shot at doing this on my own, after finding what I thought was an ok deal (relatively speaking) for a Winterstone (400k).
This thread on Killing Ifrit, which I consulted for planning, has a good overview of things to consider when soloing Genbu, but from a red mage perspective. In my case, as a black mage, I decided to forgo the safety net of cures from /RDM or /WHM and instead went with /NIN under the assumptions that I would never get hit by any direct-damage spell (including Waterga III) and that shadows could absorb any non-AoE spells for the sake of depleting Genbu's entire MP pool (thereby all but eliminating the risk of death after that point), save the MP gained from its auto-Refresh (enough for Drown at best).
The first assumption held. I had carried 12 Hi-Potions with me in case of an "emergency," but I ended up using a few just to offset the HP lost from poison. (I used 28 antidotes, to give an idea of how many stacks to carry.) But by the time I finally killed Genbu--1 hour, 45 minutes later--it was still casting the big nukes.
Still, were I to try this again actually, I think I would still sub ninja in exchange for the opportunity to sneak in a Thunder IV whenever Genbu casts Flood. I had intended to stick to a strict regimen of Bio II only for the sake of conserving MP. (My source of refresh was the Yigit set.) At 8 HP/tick for 120 seconds, Bio II should do about 320 damage from damage over time alone depending on whether the "ticks" occur at either end of the 120-second interval. But I also had 12x Yagudo Drinks with me (I could've brought more in retrospect) and I was getting frustrated with the pace, so I threw in a tier III or IV spell (paired with ES when available) whenever I felt I had an opportunity. In the end, I did 4,861 HP of direct damage (16 nukes), and ice-based nukes were resisted terribly compared to thunder-based ones (contrary to FFXIclopedia's article that claims Genbu is weak to ice), so sticking to Thunder IV seems to be best for the purposes of balancing MP efficiency and kill time.
Had I kited Genbu differently, I probably could've avoided using Stun at all for Waterga III. (I ended up using Stun 28 times; Genbu cast Waterga III 43 times). From the monk video (which I saw after I killed Genbu), note that waiting for Genbu to cast around the halfway point of the kiting path allows ample time to run away in case it casts Waterga III, and there is still enough room to run past Genbu when reversing direction.
Given the cost of obtaining the Genbu triggers, I definitely wouldn't solo Genbu again, but my success at killing Genbu this way emboldened me to take a shot at killing some lower-tier ZNMs on my own time with some combination of dot/kiting/nuking. Sprinter's Shoes, the only thing worth a damn from Campaign, are extremely handy for spawning and kiting some of these ZNMs to a safe location.
Unfortunately, the only ones that can actually be soloed in a reasonable time frame (read: less than 1 hour, 30 minutes maximum) are Brass Borer and Iriz Ima; they don't resist Poison II too often, and they move so slowly you even have time to cast nukes and get separation afterwards.
But to get to Iriz Ima, a "tier 2" ZNM, the only tier 1 ZNM I could actually solo is Cheese Hoarder Gigiroon, which is immune to poison, has about 15,000 HP, and runs at normal speed. Without any realistic opportunity to get any nukes off (no Herald's Gaiters), I had to rely almost exclusively on Bio II for damage, so you can see how tedious that would be. Once is enough for me.
Yes, I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to do. It'll probably be weeks, months, if at all, before I find a competent group (that I don't loathe) to fight a tier 3 ZNM using the Apple Green Seal I obtained. The real challenge in FFXI has always been to befriend motivated, knowledgeable players as opposed to running into do-nothing chickenshits all the time.
Not much ado is made anymore about soloing Genbu, at least not after Genbu has been shown to be defeated by players using Chi Blast and offensive ninjutsu. Not unexpectedly, Genbu is handled more efficiently and more safely as a monk (when you have tools such as Boost and Chakra, you have to be shit-for-brains to get killed) than as a ninja (five hours to kill?!) or a black mage (no native, MP-free healing that allows you to leave Poisonga II untreated). But since I don't have monk leveled I decided to try my hand at Genbu with my black mage and get this crap done in under five hours.
While those other players may have been motivated primarily by vanity (vain enough to put some videos on Youtube, anyway), I was just fed up with other people who don't know how to return favors. Last time I checked, you don't need a tank when anyone can kite something that moves as slowly as Genbu does, and Genbu "only" has about 20,000 HP (from my estimation). Also, now that chocobo racing is my everyday source of income, I'm much more receptive to buying triggers (forget farming) even though in the case of Genbu I had to resign myself to taking a net gil loss given the value of the money drops. So ultimately I decided to take a shot at doing this on my own, after finding what I thought was an ok deal (relatively speaking) for a Winterstone (400k).
This thread on Killing Ifrit, which I consulted for planning, has a good overview of things to consider when soloing Genbu, but from a red mage perspective. In my case, as a black mage, I decided to forgo the safety net of cures from /RDM or /WHM and instead went with /NIN under the assumptions that I would never get hit by any direct-damage spell (including Waterga III) and that shadows could absorb any non-AoE spells for the sake of depleting Genbu's entire MP pool (thereby all but eliminating the risk of death after that point), save the MP gained from its auto-Refresh (enough for Drown at best).
The first assumption held. I had carried 12 Hi-Potions with me in case of an "emergency," but I ended up using a few just to offset the HP lost from poison. (I used 28 antidotes, to give an idea of how many stacks to carry.) But by the time I finally killed Genbu--1 hour, 45 minutes later--it was still casting the big nukes.
Still, were I to try this again actually, I think I would still sub ninja in exchange for the opportunity to sneak in a Thunder IV whenever Genbu casts Flood. I had intended to stick to a strict regimen of Bio II only for the sake of conserving MP. (My source of refresh was the Yigit set.) At 8 HP/tick for 120 seconds, Bio II should do about 320 damage from damage over time alone depending on whether the "ticks" occur at either end of the 120-second interval. But I also had 12x Yagudo Drinks with me (I could've brought more in retrospect) and I was getting frustrated with the pace, so I threw in a tier III or IV spell (paired with ES when available) whenever I felt I had an opportunity. In the end, I did 4,861 HP of direct damage (16 nukes), and ice-based nukes were resisted terribly compared to thunder-based ones (contrary to FFXIclopedia's article that claims Genbu is weak to ice), so sticking to Thunder IV seems to be best for the purposes of balancing MP efficiency and kill time.
Had I kited Genbu differently, I probably could've avoided using Stun at all for Waterga III. (I ended up using Stun 28 times; Genbu cast Waterga III 43 times). From the monk video (which I saw after I killed Genbu), note that waiting for Genbu to cast around the halfway point of the kiting path allows ample time to run away in case it casts Waterga III, and there is still enough room to run past Genbu when reversing direction.
Given the cost of obtaining the Genbu triggers, I definitely wouldn't solo Genbu again, but my success at killing Genbu this way emboldened me to take a shot at killing some lower-tier ZNMs on my own time with some combination of dot/kiting/nuking. Sprinter's Shoes, the only thing worth a damn from Campaign, are extremely handy for spawning and kiting some of these ZNMs to a safe location.
Unfortunately, the only ones that can actually be soloed in a reasonable time frame (read: less than 1 hour, 30 minutes maximum) are Brass Borer and Iriz Ima; they don't resist Poison II too often, and they move so slowly you even have time to cast nukes and get separation afterwards.
But to get to Iriz Ima, a "tier 2" ZNM, the only tier 1 ZNM I could actually solo is Cheese Hoarder Gigiroon, which is immune to poison, has about 15,000 HP, and runs at normal speed. Without any realistic opportunity to get any nukes off (no Herald's Gaiters), I had to rely almost exclusively on Bio II for damage, so you can see how tedious that would be. Once is enough for me.
Yes, I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to do. It'll probably be weeks, months, if at all, before I find a competent group (that I don't loathe) to fight a tier 3 ZNM using the Apple Green Seal I obtained. The real challenge in FFXI has always been to befriend motivated, knowledgeable players as opposed to running into do-nothing chickenshits all the time.
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